USS Olympia / USS New Jersey Visit

When: 
Sat, 07/03/2010 - 10:00

It looks like the USS Olympia might be sc (source: I hade the Revell kit of this ship growing up and always thought it was a great old ship. For some reason I thought it was out west. Now that I know it is in Philly, and that its days may be numbered, I really want to pay a visit.

The USS Olympia is part of the Independance Seaport Museum in Philadelphia. You can see a map of the museum and some nearby hotels here (link). The USS New Jersey is across the river from Olympia. The club is planning to meet at the Olympia on Saturday July 3, 2010. When we finish our tour of the Olympia we will take a ferry across the river to visit the New Jersey.

Please note that each individual is responsible for purchasing their own tickets for the ships, the ferry, etc.. However, this event is open to the public - you do not need to be a member to attend.

Club members can discuss when this trip will occur here (link only works for club members).

Update June 4: It looks like we will be going to Philly for the July 4th Festivities and visit the Olympia Saturday. The members are still discussing the details but something should be decided in the coming days.

Update June 14: Date is firmly set for July 3, 2010. I updated the information above also. Several club members (myself included) will be driving up to Philadelphia Friday afternoon and staying through the weekend (some members are leaving on Sunday, others on Monday).

 

Below is the original article (Please visit philly.com for more information and pictures):

The submarine Becuna is docked beside the Olympia at the Independence Seaport Museum. "We have cared for Olympia lovingly," says James McLane, the museum's interim president. view images

Historic warship's future may be sunk

The old warship has been part of Philadelphia's waterfront for 50 years and left lasting impressions on thousands of visitors who heard gripping stories of its role in the Spanish-American War.

Now the Olympia - the last surviving vessel from that 1898 conflict - could face an ignoble end as an artificial reef off Cape May if a new benefactor cannot be found.

The Independence Seaport Museum and the Navy have already checked with officials of New Jersey's Artificial Reef Program on the possibility of sinking the ship, once a source of national pride.

"Another option would be scrapping Olympia," said James McLane, interim president of the museum, which owns the ship and is adjacent to it at Penn's Landing. "But the Navy has told us that 'reefing' is better because it would allow divers to go down on it and would preserve Olympia."

The museum can no longer afford the ship's upkeep, McLane said. At least $20 million is needed to tow, restore, interpret, and endow the deteriorating vessel.

"We have a couple people we're talking to who might take the ship," McLane said, "but these things don't move with great speed."

The ship will be open until the end of September, then closed while its future is determined, McLane said.

"This may be the last summer for people to visit," he said. "They should come to see it while they can."

Another former Navy warship, the Arthur W. Radford, a 563-foot-long Spruance class destroyer, will be sunk by the fall to create a reef about 30 miles southeast of Cape May.

As for the Olympia, "we recognize the historic significance of the ship," said Larry Hajna, a spokesman for the state Department of Environmental Protection. "It's not our call. It was an inquiry. The DEP is not endorsing this."

Countless tons of vessels, military tanks, railroad cars, and other materials have been reefed since the state's Bureau of Marine Fisheries began the program in 1984. The purpose is to provide a habitat for marine life, fishing grounds, and points of interest for scuba divers.

Talk of making the Olympia part of New Jersey's reef network disappoints ship supporters such as Harry Burkhardt, a merchant marine captain and steam-engine expert who is a volunteer on the vessel.

Burkhardt is president of Friends of the Cruiser Olympia (www.fotco.org), which is trying to raise money for preservation of the ship. The group got its nonprofit status this month and has begun receiving pledges and interest from individuals and corporations, Burkhardt said.

"We want to take over its ownership and operation," he said. "We have a long list of ideas, but we have to save the ship to implement them."

Burkhardt, 53, of South Philadelphia, said he would turn the Olympia into a self-sustaining museum with a living-history crew and education programs for inner-city children.

"I think what's happening is a total disgrace," he said. "The Liberty Bell has a crack in it, but we don't melt it down. The Statue of Liberty turned green with corrosion, but we don't throw it away."

The Olympia "was a symbol of America's might and freedom," Burkhardt said. "Now she's a symbol of negligence."

Concerned about the condition of the Olympia, the Navy sent a letter to the museum last May asking about plans to dry-dock the vessel for the necessary maintenance.

On the water line, small portions of the Olympia's half-inch steel hull have corroded to an eighth of an inch and must be monitored continually. Water leaks through the deck into the interior, causing further rust.

"We have cared for Olympia lovingly," McLane said. "We have put $5.5 million into it and spend money on it every day."

The Olympia was authorized in 1888 and commissioned in 1895. The state-of-the-art vessel led five other U.S. warships into Manila Bay in the Philippines on May 1, 1898, and fired shots in a battle to wrest control of that country from the Spanish.

Navy Commodore George Dewey stood on the bridge of the ship and uttered the famous words: "You may fire when you are ready, Gridley."

Under Dewey's command, the U.S. fleet destroyed 10 Spanish cruisers and gunboats in hours without losing an American life.

The Olympia spent World War I in the Atlantic Ocean, and brought remains of the Unknown Soldier home from France in 1921.

It was docked at the Philadelphia Navy Yard from 1922 to 1959, and was on display at Pier 11 at the Benjamin Franklin Bridge through the 1960s until 1976, when it was moved to Penn's Landing. Today, the vessel is the world's oldest floating steel warship.

"The Navy has been in discussions with the museum to come up with a disposition plan if they can no longer operate it," said Patricia Dolan, a Navy spokeswoman. "Any plan for disposal of the vessel - scrapping or reefing - will have to be approved by the Navy."

The thought of scuttling the naval time capsule - filled with paintings, photos, and artifacts - has raised the ire of historians.

"It will be a national disgrace and major embarrassment for Philadelphia and Pennsylvania if Olympia is disposed of by scrapping or being sunk off the coast of New Jersey," said naval historian Lawrence Burr, who has produced documentaries and written four books, including U.S. Cruisers 1883-1904: The Birth of the Steel Navy.

"Neither the Spanish navy in 1898 nor the German navy in 1917-18 was able to sink Olympia," he said. "It will be ironic if the State of New Jersey is able to sink this unique historic warship that has been in the care of Philadelphia and Pennsylvania for over 50 years, and who have benefited from its role as a tourist attraction. . . .

"If sunk, she will only be seen by a small elite who are able to dive, with the risk that she will be plundered for souvenirs," he said.

Also expressing disappointment was the nonprofit Theodore Roosevelt Association in Oyster Bay, N.Y. Congress chartered the group in 1920 to perpetuate the legacy of Roosevelt, who was assistant secretary of the Navy before the Spanish-American War and ordered the Olympia furnished with extra coal so it could be sent to the Philippines. Roosevelt resigned from his office and served as a colonel in the Rough Riders during the invasion of Cuba.

The possible sinking of the Olympia "is an outrage," said Howard Ehrlich, executive director of the association. "You would think veterans groups would get together and lobby the Navy to save the ship."

Even sinking the 5,600-ton ship would be costly. Because of the ship's 21-1/2-foot draft, the basin where it is berthed would have to be dredged so the vessel could be moved to dry dock. There, it would be structurally reinforced so it could be safely towed down the Delaware River to the reef location.

"No decision has been made," McLane said. "This is not what we want to do. In these tough economic times, everybody is forced to make tough decisions."

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Nikki's picture

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Brian,

I love BB New Jersey, I wish i could go with you guys, but im going to PA that weekend!

Nikki

Tom's picture

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Boy! It just hit me today.

Here I am going to walk the decks on the USS Olympia, and then next month, sail in Manila Bay where she fought the Spanish!

You can sure bet that I will be thinking of her as I sail to Corregidor Island to spend the day there!  I will most likely be lecturing the family about the events of not only WW2 but the Spanish American War as well.

Nikki's picture

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Tom,

Have Fun! Who all is going?

Nikki

Tom's picture

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Nikki:

I am talking about two seperate trips in my comments. 

Which trip are you asking about?

 

The Club going to see the USS Olympia  

             or 

My trip to Corregidor during my vacation to the Philippines?

 

 

Nikki's picture

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Tom,

im talking about The Club going to see the USS Olympia and USS New Jersey! I wish i could givre you money so you can get me a shot glass, im starting a collet them from ships! IVE got one for Wisconsin and Mighty moe! i dont know if they have one for Iowa yet!

Nikki

Brian's picture

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Tom, Charles Diana, and I are going for certain. I've not heard if Mary or Andrea are going but I assume so. I've not heard from William, Mark or Drew.

Nikki's picture

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Brian,

Did you see this? I wish i could givre you money so you can get me a shot glass, im starting a collet them from ships! IVE got one for Wisconsin and Mighty moe! i dont know if they have one for Iowa yet! but I dont knwo if you guys are going to get anything of new Jersey or no??

 

Nikki

 

Brian's picture

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I will try and keep an eye open for some shot glasses for you. You can pay me back when you get the glasses. Do me a favor and remind by IM me just before the trip.

Tom's picture

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Picking up shot glasses and refrigerator magnets are a standard part of our travel itinerary.  So that is one of the items that we will be actively looking for while we are there.

 

 

Nikki's picture

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Brian,

I have two right now, One for Mighty Moe, who is in Preal and The other is for Wisconsin who is in Norfolk! And i Dont know if they have one for Iowa yet! But anyway, How fun! I wish i could come too! 

Nikki

Tom's picture

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Hi All;

I am sorry to say that Mary is working Friday and Saturday.

May have Mary Fly up on Sunday, then the two of us drive back on Monday.

Tom

Brian's picture

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That stinks!!!  Hopefully she can come up for part of the weekend. You might consider trains also. Not having to deal with airport security might be worth the extra few hours of travel time (which she might be able to sleep for anyway)

Tom's picture

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We are researching possibilities.

Tom's picture

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Did several searches for airfare and found that flying is out of the question,  $170.00 and she would not arrive until LATE Sunday Night!  UGH!

 

Amtrack,  For less than $60.00 and she would be there around 13:00 hours!

She would leave right from Fredericksburg!  Our Daughter could drop her off at the station!

Will bring this to her attention tonight.

Tom's picture

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Mary was to have the whole weekend off!  The Hospital messed with her schedule again! UGH ! ! !

I will drive up early Saturday morning alone, stay over night and drive back Sunday morning.  Just might arrive home about the sime time as Mary!

 

 

Charles's picture

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Tom,

I'm driving up Saturday morning, and back Saturday night (perhaps even late). We might want to coordinate/carpool.

 

Charles.

Tom's picture

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Car Pooling is a good idea.

I also like the idea of heading back early Sunday Morning.

Charles's picture

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Unfortunately, I need to be back Saturday Night (even if quite late), as I have an early Sunday Morning obligation already.

Tom's picture

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I understand.

Nikki's picture

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Guys,

Have fun and Take photos! I'll be thing about you guys!

Nikki

Tom's picture

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Yepper, will have my camera on hand and will post the photos.

Now if only I had a decent video camera! UGH!

Brian's picture

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Okay... It sounds like Charles and Tom are driving up for the day Saturday. Diana and I are driving up Friday and returning Monday. We will be booking a hotel this weekend.

Tom's picture

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Please post which hotel you will stay at.

I will try to make reservations for the same one.

Brian's picture

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I have posted the hotel in the member's only thread for this trip.

Diana and I are still planning the rest of our trip. I know Diana wants to tour the United States Mint in Philly. It turns out the mint is open to tours for the entire holiday weekend. So we might try and do that on Sunday. Diana will probably want to visit the aquarium also.

Anyone else have any ideas for things to see while in Philly? This is probably the closest thing Diana and I will get to a vacation together this summer... maybe this year.

Nikki's picture

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Guys,

Have fun! I wish mom and i can drop in Saturday! But we are going to Pittsburgh! 

Nikki

Brian's picture

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Diana and I were both able to leave work early today - so we are going up this evening.

Brian's picture

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Unfortunately, We did not make it to the USS New Jersey. The New Jersey had reduced hours on July 3rd which were not posted when we planned the trip. We did have a great time aboard the USS Olympia (my pictures here) and USS Becuna (my pictures here).

I also have posted some pictures of our trip here on Facebook.

 

Nikki's picture

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Guys,

She was bigger then i was thing she was! Im glad you guys had Fun!

Nikki

Tom's picture

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One thing I see that no one has memtioned is the USS United States.

As I drove by her on my way home I was very saddened by her sorry shape.

The photos are still in my camera waiting for me to down load them to the computer.

I am concerned that she is riding so high in the water that she maybe top heavy right now.

I will post the photos soon.